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Hi Sam, Long time player and lurker here. Just wanted to share my thoughts and feelings regarding this issue, as well as some feedback and rebuttals for your arguments. While I've become much more inactive recently, i felt that i have to make a post here. Nothing personal, but if my comments here sound snarky or rude , I do apologise. 1 ). First and foremost, I would like to preface my point that yes, it is true that I have heard of rumblings of a reset for a long time now but the abruptness of this is surprising. Which brings me to your first point 1). KZG | SG has over thousands of active players, so firstly plainly sampling 40 would just be insufficient. Now I do doubt that 95% of the player-base will 'want a reset of some kind ' , I believe that a proper unbiased sampling of the full player population would yield a number closer to the 50-50 range. This 95% figure may just be full of new players, who simply would not care if their progress was wiped. A better and smarter way to do this, would be a community poll on google docs or some kind, left over a week for players to vote. However, my main point is that this 'change' was not well communicated to us at all. Personally, while I absolutely disagree with the decision (which i hope to change in this post), majority of us would prefer a heads up or a more official announcement on the forums / discord . The latest posts on discord were about Juicd Energy & Bot accounts and the forums announcement section has been dead for years, so I'm sure that an announcement would be obviously more helpful & visible if posted there instead. I personally heard this from a friend who discord DMed me regarding this, which i thought was a joke. 2 ) This may sound wonderful, but what distinguishes a player's skill in the server is the amount of points one have. What baffles me here is the half-half reset system here that you guys have decided to implement. There would be nothing to distinguish between a new 5k points player and old 5k points player other than the KD and kills, to which one can only view for themselves. I would either support a full reset or a no reset at all. 3) As for this, i completely disagree. The precise reason why top player's stay at the top is not because of their long time playing the server, but their skill. With the current ranking system, i would even argue that the system FAVOURS low ranking players, who take 25 a kill compared to 2 points a kill vice versa. If you would do the math, for top players to break even, thats 13 kills - 1 kill to break even on the net gain/loss. I would even go as far as to give you an example. Karasu , a long time friend of mine (currently with the username Hoshi) has one of the longest playtimes and most kills on the server with over 55 days straight of connection time and 55093 kills currently sits at pos 150. Point accumulation is not a product of time spent, but skill. IM sorry karasu, no hard feelings. As for the 'player's unable to come close to them part, i would implore you to just look at the player rankings right now. There are plenty of smurf accounts created by others that shoot up the rankings, so theoretically everyone should be able to do it if they posses the skill to do so. The current pos 1 Azula beat the rest of the server with only 2 days of connection time, so simply saying that it is impossible to players to come close is untrue. This might sound rude , but with the future system it still seems like nothing.. Free VIP, credits are simply just worthless, not to a fault of the owners but the nature of the server. It would be suicide to wear cosmetics, trails, lazers, hats as it gives a HUGE disadvantage. Just imagine peeking tower with a traffic cone, lazer and a trail, you would simply get wallbanged to death. Sticking to vanilla seems like the smartest solution. As for the top 3 announcement part... personally i don't really feel thats a sufficient reward for 3 months worth of a slogfest of a grind to top 3. ( not that ill get there) While this may be a good idea for other 1v1 / retake servers , awp would be an exception to this. The current reward for players being good is to stay on top, a much more worth it reward in my opinion. And now who the best players are indeed are rightfully reinstated on the leaderboard. The new system implores the player to prove themselves over and over again, wouldn't you think that they will eventually just leave? ___________________ imo, the current ecosystem is doing decently, albeit with some changes much needed. Top players have their points trickle down when they die. With your impending 3 month resent system, I would most likely seem that this system would cap players to 60-70% of the current points , as MANY players would just come back in waves with freshly reset accounts, making the climb more difficult. KZG has been a server where stats don't reset, and personally this becomes more important to me as recently i have more commitments irl and wont be on as frequently as i was. It feels good knowing that when i log back in after long periods of inactivity, my progress has still been kept. And this the fact is that if i de-proved, my rank would reflect this easily. IF this decision stands, we would be moving towards the mode of servers like zeddy/revenantz with frequent resets, completely undistinguishable from other double jump servers. In my history of playing, there has been plenty of other awp servers that shutdown due to dwindling playerbases (see froid, immense). While KZG has been on the fall since 2017 ( don't have the statistics for this one) and that we have been losing more and more OGs as time goes by, we seem to have held on to a fraction of regulars that keep the server running, many of whom have even became admins. It would seem that this decision would ultimately kill the playerbase, as personally i would be less inclined to visit the server. I strongly implore you to reconsider your decision. Thanks for reading this huge block of text. Just had to get it out during my lunchtime. Cheers for reading this sam.

Hello team. I have doubts with the point reset system that you plan to implement in September. Many players that I have interacted with also expressed their disagreement with the current situation. I find it hard to understand that the team barely interacted with the community to ask for feedback regarding the point system reset., together with barely any announcement of the change. I have reason that I disagree with the change: Many players play that server with the intent to gain as much points possible, as a competition (yes sounds very dumb). Removing that aspect pretty much nullifies the entire purposes of trying hard in that server, hence possibly removing a portion of the player base. Though it may be much more kinder to newer players who want to try the server, it's quite unfair for older players having to reset their stats to have an even playing field. I believe in meritocracy The server functions differently compared to other server (retakes, 1v1 etc.). Gameplay mostly centers around the point system itself. (speculation) I personally do not bother as much for the rewards system such as VIP , etc. for rankings at the end of each reset. This might just lead to more desperate measure like hacked clients just to get free VIPs. Just an opinion though. Lack of transparency of the change. I really do love your awp servers, but I feel pretty bummed there wasn't any polling/survey for your active player base to feedback you guys on. Thank you for reading this and feel free to share your thoughts. Regards GTR (ps i rlly love my stats don do dis)

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I think change is great sometimes, but really not in this instance. I do not think that there's anything broken with the points system, so there is no point fixing something that is broken. I think there are many great ideas for changes such as addition of new cosmetics, maps, maybe even mm ranks to distinguish players (like Zeddy). I believe that this reset changes the game fundamentally. Again, this is just wiping out the fundamental gameplay of the server which is to gain points using whatever skillset possible in order to beat the best of the rest. Think of it as race car's hill-climb record, swimming lap times or highest mountain climb record; if you erase away those records, there is simply no meaning to try over and over again if it is gonna get reset every time. Yes statistics can still remain, but what's the fun if there is no self-satisfaction for achieving and staying at a certain placement. VIP's are great but I also hardly find anyone mentioning it in my time at the server. (Please do implement seasonal rankings plugins to see previous top10's in the event the team still wished to go ahead) Thanks again for reading disc: gtr#7139

I appreciate the time you took to write this. What I am getting at is that the points staying the same helps distinguish the long-time players from the new players and the good players from the bad. It also allows the good players to take breaks without the fear of them losing all their points. I also appreciate that you have stated that the AWP server is different from retakes, executes, and 1v1, which I understand because, admittedly, the vote I conducted was more towards that group of players. I am more than happy to come to a solution that will be the best for the SG AWP Server, and I believe that we need a reset every so often to prevent the server and player base from stagnate. However, I do believe, due to the points you have arisen, that maybe the reset for the SG AWP server can be different in terms of how often it occurs. So my question is: Would you and the player base prefer a reset that occurs every six months or year instead? Thanks, Samuukxs

Hey mate, thanks for taking the time to make this post. Let me address some of the points you have brought up. 1. We have wanted to implement this change for a while now, and during that time, a large majority of the community have shared their excitement about a point reset system. We have also asked the community for a tonne of feedback during this time, and the majority supported this transition. We couldn't conduct any official votes on the public KZG discord server, but some private ones were conducted to get a grasp of what the community wanted (votes among staff, as well as a vote I conducted with 40+ SG players, where 95% of players wanted a reset of some kind). 2. Your stats won't be gone! The only thing that is getting reset is your points. Your KD, Kills, Deaths, HS% and more will remain. 3. 'Many players play that server with the intent to gain as many points possible, as a competition (yes sounds very dumb)', the point system with how it is currently is the opposite of what you have brought up. As the points have been the same for years now, it actually isn't as much of a competition because many people have spent years getting their points, making it impossible for people to come even close to them. I know you have mentioned that older players may be annoyed by this, but the point system was created to see who the best players are. If they are really the best, this will only prove that even more. There is also no 'winner' if it never ends, so people are actually competing for nothing. The points will reset every three months from this September, which will make it more of a competition to see who will come in the top 3; this will only make more players eager to play (we may even add text in chat that shows the top 3 players from the last reset). 4. Regarding people cheating to get points, you won't have to worry about this as we have a strong staff team and anti-cheat who can pick up on hackers very quickly before they cause any harm. I am more than happy to answer more questions you may have below Thanks, Samuukxs